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Jun 17, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46
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Academy Page
Join Date: Apr 2006
Profession: W/Mo
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They are ranged attackers because their favored weapon is bows, and bows are ranged. However, does this mean that Rangers CANNOT use melee skills? Ever thought that maybe no all rangers want to be ranged, and wish to be melee attackers? I do not care what the name is, if I want to be a melee ranger, I can be one. Look at the elementalist's name. It derives from the word "element" (fire, water, etc). However my Elementalist uses Necro curses, and necro curses are not considered "elements". Does this mean my elementalist cannot use curses due to its name "Elementalist". Do you see how weak your statement is? Lets stop Elemetalists from using Necro curses now! You say that Touch Rangers were not supposed to be in the game. Well, were Mending Wammos supposed to be part of the game? Mending is not a warrior skill so why do warriors have it? Last edited by Desert Penguin; Jun 17, 2006 at 02:48 PM // 14:48.. |
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Jun 17, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Apr 2006
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I agree. I mean, the DRUID's armor implies that Rangers also are supposed to have some magical skills, including hexes, magic missiles and touches.
And anyways, my pet eats Touchies for brakfast! ;D |
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Jun 18, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: Aequitas Deis
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OMG the look at Expertise attribute.
if Touchies would not ment to be there all the vam skills would be spells |
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Jun 18, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Dec 2005
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well, they will get nerfed eventually... just like everything else that gets old. Has anyone ever tried using them in HA? Or possibly a team of them in TA?
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Jun 18, 2006, 08:03 AM // 08:03
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Guild: Girl Power [GP]
Profession: Me/Mo
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They won't be nerfed.
Anybody who tries to use touchers in PvP *other* than RA/TA/AB gets their ass handed to them, special delivery. |
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Jun 18, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Can u say narrow minded?
Have u tried a team of TR in HA? They don't get their ass handed to them. Lets see. IWAY vs Touchies...IWAY relies on warriors, and of course becuz its IWAY...its definatly not very skilled wars (most of the time). And cuz they are wars, of course, rangers will definatly own them. ViMWAY vs Touchies...Again...they use wars, bye bye wars. Trappers using traps and giving us conditions. YAY CONDITIONS...guess what...more things to use against ur wars. And of course, cuz ViM depends on us having conditions and we keep sending them back, their self healing is insufficient. Balenced vs Touchies...n e REAL touch team will divide up the group and take out monks. The monks will run like punk bitches (nothing a running move cant deal with) and cuz they run...they cant heal each other. With the monks dead (i suppose the Touchies should have frozen soil) u can attack everything else without n e thing to really stop them. Smite vs Touchies...well cuz the touchies are close ranged...bye bye Touchies! I have always been a ranger. And it always seems like rangers keep getting the short end of the stick. Both in PvE and PvP. Each group/proffession has their own way to be "overpowering". U just have to find out what it is. Monk- PvE: 55 monk PvP:well, many good builds, but 1 that stands out is WoH monk Ele-PvE:echo nuker PvP:AoE spamming owns most groups. Also warders have a huge place in todays PvP environment. War- PvE:EVERY SOLO BUILD AROUND PvP:IWAY wars...with their pets dead...they are almostinvincable and can spam high damage attacks very fast. *water break* Necro- PvE: Minion Master (which really dint diserve the nerf) PvP: Every1 guns for the Orders Necro first. Why? Becuz they boost the teams damage,...alot. Mesmer- PvE:uhh i cant think of 1 PvP: E-denial is a low blow on opposing team. [B] Ranger- PvE: uhh there are no 1 ranger builds that r overpowering. Team builds are the B/P farming group PvP:uhh Touch Ranger (and maybe trappers...but they are easy to counter) [B] No touch rangers souldnt be nerfed. Sumthing im sure u will see is a R/A spamming the high energy/high damage combos of Assassin using expertise. U gunna bitch about that too? Evasive stances+assassin combos+ (insert self heal move here) =a very fast attacking melee bugga. This build would have a great DPS rating...so lets nerf it! So what ur saying is...all rangers must sit there pressing that bow attack skill being no threat at all? What about the build variaty that makes GW so great? |
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Jun 18, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]
Profession: Mo/
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Not all ViMWAY teams run warriors. Most ViMWAY teams that you see however do run two warriors, of course they also have 6 trappers. Plauge touch does very little. There are at least 6 trappers in ViMWAY, I'd love to see a touch ranger out damage 6 healing springs(constant rotation under QZ), 6 different sets of traps(under QZ no less), or even manage to stay alive when spamming plauge touch to get rid of a condition that will be reapplied seconds later and won't even harm the trapper. VIM does not depend on ViM for healing. They have at least 6 healing springs. Most teams that run two warriors have those warriors run Healing Signet in addition to ViM. Of course, you standing there in adjacent range using plauge touch while taking absolutly massive damage I would love to see, especialy since plauge touch will remove the condition for what, 4 seconds tops? Even a scrub ViM team, which most ViM teams are, will have absolutly no problem rolling a touch ranger team. Quote:
..And any real balancend team will be running some sort of speed buff like Windbourne speed, or better yet, a snare. They will kite. This is obvious. Kiting is not somthing noobs do, as it seems to imply in your post with "the monks will run like punk bitches." If you think kiting is a scrub tactic, you a scrub. Did you know that you can STOP kiting for the time it takes to cast a spell, and then resume kiting? This has obviously never occured to you. The monks will not die. If they do they can be ressurected. Frozen Soil can be killed easily since you're running an entirely frontline team... Quote:
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Ok, so rangers don't really heal. This is the monks thing. They heal. By the way, I think you play far too much Heroe's Ascent if all you could think of is a WoH monk... Quote:
AoE spamming owns in PvP? You know compitent players don't stand in AoEs... Wards are good. Wards are support. Elementalists are a support class with a bit of spike. Wow, a support class being good at support... Quote:
..If you can't figure out how to drop IWAY wars you are a scrub. Damge compression > Regen. You don't even kill the pets to begin with... By the way, I now know you do play too much HA, as IWAY wars are far from the only application for warriors in PvP... Quote:
Every team runs and orders necro? I was under the impression that they use Order of Pain from a safe distance away... You have absolutly no idea what you're talking about. Quote:
There are more types of mesmers in PvP that just ednial. You have tons of Migrane mesmers running around HA. You also have plenty of shutdown mesmers, and fast cast air spikers, and heavy hex mesmers... Quote:
There are plenty of solo PvE ranger builds. Use the search function. Rangers are basicaly like Elementalists. They're a utility class, with some damage. By the way, last seaon in the playoffs iQ ran a trapper against IB... Touch rangers should not be considered a descent PvP build... Quote:
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Jun 19, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: London
Guild: Diary of a Madman [SiKK]
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Lol owned. gg Zui
I have to say, there is no need to nerf the touch ranger. Sure they are annoying but then again so are many other things. Flashbots are annoying, thumpers are annoying, mesmers are annoying, ViMway is damn annoying. I just think of them like IWAY where any half decent team can beat them with ease. Don't get me started on touch rangers in RA, they tend to over-extend constantly and need much healing. They are vulnerable to e-drain and denial and since its a spam build, vulnerable to diversion. If in TA the team is 4 R/N, its easy, just pick one out, Blackout and sit him on his arse. Kite more, rinse and repeat. Sure you have to kite a lot, and hardly stop moving, I did say its annoying. TBH dual thumpers with an EDenial mesmer is more dangerous to balanced. Since you can be on your ass and have no energy when you stand up. If there is one R/N running around, most of the time we ignore him since the DPS is not too dangerous. Its not like they are inflicting KDs or conditions or anything. Assassins are definately higher up on the kill list. |
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Jun 19, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: London, UK
Guild: Rite Of Passage [RP]
Profession: E/Mo
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Oh, and to all those saying "...Meh. Learn to kite..." How effective is kiting from someone using Storm Chaser? |
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Jun 19, 2006, 05:04 AM // 05:04
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#230 |
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Feb 2006
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In regards to the original post. No they are not overpowered, if you bring a heavy degen, knockdown and snare team build they simply become annoying. In that sense yes the touch "skills" should be made reasonable, since they are not spells physical conditions should affect them. You should not be able to touch someone if you are blinded. With in that line, the cycle times of the skills need to be increased.
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Jun 19, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07
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Elite Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester, England
Guild: SMS/Victrix
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lol, touch rangers overpowered? they aren't even good.... how can something that is complete crap in any form of serious level of pvp be overpowered?
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Jun 19, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Jun 2006
Guild: Girl Power
Profession: R/N
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Why would a touch ranger be using storm chaser? We use Zojun's and dodge. And I won't say kiting is a perfect answer, it obviously relies on your team recognizing the threat a touch ranger represents and doing something about it while you kite. This isn't inbalance, because it's a team game. I can't stop laughing when some warrior in an AB decides to stop and go toe to toe with me, solo. I mean, in a situation where I am on a target by myself, I'm not killing you fast enough for my liking if you aren't running, much less if you are. I'm going to find another target, double fast if you keep it up very long. But if you stop and decide you want a hug.
 You have made me a very happy girl. Here's a real reason why touch rangers aren't overpowered in the least, they are arleady losing effectivness. People are learning how to deal with them, and doing it. A couple weeks ago I remember we ran a 3 touch team in AB with a monk supporting, and we were steam rolling enemy teams. Now, we are steam rolling bad teams who aren't ready for us, and having to avoid the teams that are. I may get flamed for this but quite frankly, if you are one of the teams we are still rolling over, this long after touch rangers got popular again, when you are not adapting to the situation and deserve to lose.
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Jun 19, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]
Profession: Mo/
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Note: Frojack says this was actualy intended as a legitimate question, so please disregard my response.
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The only "problem" as some might say with them in Random Arenas, and Alliance Battles is the randomness of those on your side. This randomness nets you some extremely unskilled players, who then get owned by touch rangers. This is not a problem with touch rangers. This is a problem with unskilled players, who should after being owned start asking "What did I do wrong?" "What did my team do wrong?" "How can I/we improve?" And so on... /note Quote:
So if you don't actualy want to read and comprehend that: It is effective. Last edited by Zui; Jun 20, 2006 at 12:36 AM // 00:36.. |
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Jun 19, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37
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Banned
Join Date: Nov 2005
Guild: United Scribes of Cantha (USoC)
Profession: N/
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Quit Crying
They can be countered just like every other build ever made! I love how when people are greeted with a new challenge they call for a nerf.... people like that are very pathetic! Last edited by Undead Preacher; Jun 19, 2006 at 05:46 AM // 05:46.. |
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Jun 19, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59
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#235 |
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Academy Page
Join Date: Apr 2006
Guild: Order of the Dingo
Profession: W/
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12 pages = case closed!
don't see 12 pages of 'Is shock warrior overpowerd' |
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Jun 19, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58
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#236 |
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2006
Profession: R/
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Agreed, so many posts with a staggering majority saying they are not overpowered. Case closed.
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Jun 20, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: London, UK
Guild: Rite Of Passage [RP]
Profession: E/Mo
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Oh and about the running. Anyone who runs from a warrior using a speed increase ability is stupid. We all know how hard they can hit. Especially if said foe is using a hammer. While you run, nothing can be done to mitigate the damage either. My point was that those who try to use the 'kiting' strategy as one of the means to avoid Touch Rangers are deluding themselves. As every single one of them I have come up against, has had a run skill. I hope that clears up the confusion. You may carry on your mud slinging match... |
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Jun 20, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]
Profession: Mo/
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Sorry frojack I didn't realise the first part of your post was an actual question, and not a statment with a question mark at the end(a.k.a. rhetorical question)... Either way, I apoligize for this and will be editing my post to note this.
However this does not explain the sheer stupidity of the second half of your post... Quote:
You know, when the warrior catches up to you and swings his weapon, he stands still while he strikes. You continue running. Hmm, he needs to catch up to you again. Oh and of course every second he's under a stance movment buff means he's not under Frenzy. As I have already stated, and there is clear facts to prove(I'm sure you can find quite a bit on it with the Search function), auto-crits only trigger when you strike a foe directly on their back. It's the exact same area as Bull's Strike used to need to hit for a KD pre-buff. This means that you can easily avoid almost every single auto-crit with proper kiting. You know, if they knock you down they don't get any auto-crits on you with the kiting example, the only possible auto-crit(besides a scrub using Wild Blow) would be the knock down. Your 'point' is not based in any fact whatsoever. Please, if you would like to prove me wrong do so. Post all the figures for it, and use a foe running directly away with a Touch Ranger chasing with both a 25% and a 33% speed buff, compare this to a touch ranger against a non-kiting foe. You're going to find that even on a target not kiting directly away, even in a medium sized circle, the damage will be reduced than from that of the damage on a stationary target. Don't beleive that you stop when using a skill? Test it. If you're right and you really don't stop to use a skill(which is proven false by simple observation), then post the math on exactly why it is pointless. |
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Jun 20, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...
Guild: Purple Lingerie - :D
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Alot of copies of skills Tigers Fury has a copy. Symbol of Wrath also. 100 blades and Penetrating Blow. Just to name a few. Anet was probably running out of ideas for skills so they made copies of skills.
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Jun 20, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22
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Banned
Join Date: Nov 2005
Guild: United Scribes of Cantha (USoC)
Profession: N/
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Another example: Heal Other & Jamei's Gaze..... So there are duplicate skills if you own both games...but there were skills that they liked from prophecies that ARE NOT core skills so they couldn't keep the same name, so they made new names ... and yes this means owning both games means 2 of the same skill in the skill bar....Which would be why there is all this crying about the touch ranger....  Please Sign this Petition. STOP CRYING! -Undead Preacher |
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